home page video

Sep 17, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I think it would be good to put a short video on the homepage.  If you look at what kicked off the goodness around nu... it was that video that showed how insainly easy it was to add a library.  I think adding ELMHA would be a good example since it shows the configuration. But, once I get some portable area goodness, I think dropping in the open ID portable area would show some awesomeness which could best be expressed as a short screen cast.

Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Yep, I'm planning to record a brief screencast this weekend. A couple of questions:

  1. I think introducing the problem with my "Installing ELMAH" PPT deck is useful for getting everyone on the same page, do you agree?
  2. Where should I host the actual video? I was thinking Vimeo, and then embedding it here. Is that what you guys did?

Potential Script:

  1. Introduce myself
  2. Talk about the goal of creating an even more vibrant OSS ecosystem on .NET
  3. Start the PPT deck which introduces the challenge: It's difficult to add OSS libraries into your project.
  4. The deck ends with: "But we can do better!"
  5. Show demo of NuPack: PowerShell, then GUI
  6. Go back to deck to highlight key points: No central authority, Anyone can host a feed, we accept contributions!

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

Sep 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM
Here is an example of what we hosted from viddler for mvc contrib. The only down side of this is you have to use the wiki mark up, so you will loose live writter support for that page.
 
My only addition would be .
5.a  Queue awesome music. Perferably some speed metal.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:58 AM, haacked <notifications@codeplex.com> wrote:

From: haacked

Yep, I'm planning to record a brief screencast this weekend. A couple of questions:

  1. I think introducing the problem with my "Installing ELMAH" PPT deck is useful for getting everyone on the same page, do you agree?
  2. Where should I host the actual video? I was thinking Vimeo, and then embedding it here. Is that what you guys did?

Potential Script:

  1. Introduce myself
  2. Talk about the goal of creating an even more vibrant OSS ecosystem on .NET
  3. Start the PPT deck which introduces the challenge: It's difficult to add OSS libraries into your project.
  4. The deck ends with: "But we can do better!"
  5. Show demo of NuPack: PowerShell, then GUI
  6. Go back to deck to highlight key points: No central authority, Anyone can host a feed, we accept contributions!

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

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Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM

How’s that compare with Vimeo? I’m such a n00b.

Sep 17, 2010 at 4:40 PM
It should be identical.
 
Here is the wiki markup to get that embedded video:
Here is a video that gives a nice overview of the Portable Area functionality.
Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 4:42 PM

No, I meant why would I choose Viddler over Vimeo, or vice versa?

Sep 17, 2010 at 4:46 PM

I think the video we put up on the home page needs to be very short; under a minute!  It should just be a pure demo that shows both PS and a UI install.  This is to quickly 'hook' the short attention span user, so IMO there is no time for intro/slides on this one.  Pure action! With music and no word.

Then we should have a link to additional screencasts which go into more details.  I'm planning one that'll be a pure demo showing a whole bunch of NuPack scenarios.  Phil, you can do one like you describe above, that focuses more on OSS and how we got to where we are.  And others who have time should make some as well, each with a slightly different focus.

Thoughts?

Sep 17, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Oh.. yeah no idea about that.

Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Edited Sep 17, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Ok, I agree except for the part with “No Word”. Even the Nu video has someone saying something. One of the more effective screencasts I remember was Rob Conery’s Subsonic screencast. That really launched his project.

I don’t think the video has to be under a minute, I think I have 10 seconds to hook the viewer so they’ll stay! So I’ll start off immediately with the demo, I’ll say a few words as I demo to provide context, and I’ll keep it very short. J

Sep 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Sounds good!  Basically, think of it like a TV commercial when you do it: short and powerful!

Sep 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM

e.g. look at the Nu for Visual Studio video.  Ok, that one has neither words nor sound (not good!), but at least it nails the quick pace that shows the goods in 56 seconds.  It still has time to cover installing 3 different things, including one that shows a dependency.

Sep 17, 2010 at 8:12 PM

So I suggest two videos. You need the attention getter, like we did with nu. Then have the more in depth screen cast.

The attention getter has to show the dream. I would suggest not even talking, just using captions and awesome music. Show off what it can do with fluentnhibernate, just like we did with nu (so you see that it pulls down a library and the correct versions of all the libraries the library needs). Then show the Elmah piece so people instantly go "Aha!!! Now I understand why this is going to be more awesome than nu!"

____
Rob
"Be passionate in all you do"

http://devlicio.us/blogs/rob_reynolds
http://ferventcoder.com
http://twitter.com/ferventcoder

Sep 17, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Being the guy that made the power of nu video, I can tell you that I said absolutely nothing as a matter of making sure it did not interfere with a contact I have with a company that limits my ability to make instructional videos.

I've since found out that tools I am personally involved with are exempt as long as I don't release them on a competing site.

____
Rob
"Be passionate in all you do"

http://devlicio.us/blogs/rob_reynolds
http://ferventcoder.com
http://twitter.com/ferventcoder

Sep 17, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Start with the video ala rob and nu. Then in a follow on explain it. ?

-d

On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:58 AM, "haacked" <notifications@codeplex.com> wrote:

From: haacked

Yep, I'm planning to record a brief screencast this weekend. A couple of questions:

  1. I think introducing the problem with my "Installing ELMAH" PPT deck is useful for getting everyone on the same page, do you agree?
  2. Where should I host the actual video? I was thinking Vimeo, and then embedding it here. Is that what you guys did?

Potential Script:

  1. Introduce myself
  2. Talk about the goal of creating an even more vibrant OSS ecosystem on .NET
  3. Start the PPT deck which introduces the challenge: It's difficult to add OSS libraries into your project.
  4. The deck ends with: "But we can do better!"
  5. Show demo of NuPack: PowerShell, then GUI
  6. Go back to deck to highlight key points: No central authority, Anyone can host a feed, we accept contributions!

Thoughts?

Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Yep, that's the new plan. A really brief video as well as a longer video. Maybe I can get Scott Hanselman to help out since he has all that extra charisma overflowing. :)

Sep 17, 2010 at 9:39 PM

I'd rather just have one in the front page to keep it clean, and then a link to "More videos", where we can have additional (longer) ones.  I'm hoping to have at least one there.

Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Edited Sep 17, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Sure. I was planning to post a longer one on my blog. More of an informal introduction. The short one goes on the home page.


Phil

Editor
Sep 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Can we seriously do a screencast without music in the background? Let’s just do a 5-7 min thing with someone explaining.

Scott

Sep 17, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Can we make it like the double rainbow video?

Coordinator
Sep 17, 2010 at 11:28 PM

I'm going to play the Mandolin for it.

Editor
Sep 17, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Edited Sep 17, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Sep 17, 2010 at 11:55 PM

We should have the 5-7 screencast, but I really thing we also need a much shorter to sell the idea.  5+ minutes is a really long time for someone to watch through if they have no idea what it's about and when the 10,000 mile overview.  I'll do the minute screencast if needed.  Now where the heck is my 4 year old Camtasia? :)

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 5:51 AM

Hey guys, what do you think of the following video for the homepage? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBfojyNWN0

Sep 20, 2010 at 5:55 AM
Nice. I'm still leaning on less talk and more music. But that's me. IF we HAVE to have someone talk, this will work... ;)
Sep 20, 2010 at 6:57 AM

Looks good.  Let's get this video up on the home page now, so it's ready for launch day!

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 7:57 AM

Ok, before I do that, I have another 1 minute 30 second video with music and no speaking. I'll post it here and you guys tell me which you prefer. :)

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 8:05 AM

Ok, here's the non-speaking alternative. You tell me which one is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_n7vwoKVDo

Sep 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Non-speaking one is way better. I fell asleep after "Hi, I'm Phil Haack". Although I think some choir music from The Omen might be more appropriate instead of Beach Banket Bingo.

Sep 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Big fan of the one with music!

____
Rob
"Be passionate in all you do"

http://devlicio.us/blogs/rob_reynolds
http://ferventcoder.com
http://twitter.com/ferventcoder

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Alright, I updated the homepage with the music video. I think it actually makes sense because the homepage already has text that describes NuPack, so having a brief demo only video fits nicely. I also created a new Screencasts page (http://nupack.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Screencasts) and linked to it from the home page. Please put your screencasts there if you make one. I put my sleep inducing one and David Ebbo's over there.

Sep 20, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Cool!

FYI you can add &hd=1 to the end of the links to make them play in HD by default (as I did in mine).

However, that embedded UI doesn't let you play in Full Screen (that I can see), unless you click on the video to go to the YouTube site first.  Maybe there is a way to make this work with some custom embedded markup.  They're pretty hard to watch in a small window.

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Thanks for the hd tip! I can make the default width and height a little larger. Not sure what else I can do. CodePlex doesn’t support embedding videos in the HTML view, so I had to switch to wiki markup. It’s the only way I can add embedded videos. So we’d have to look at what YouTube supports via the URL or what CodePlex supports via their wiki tags.

Sep 20, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Found a reference to an 'allowfullscreen' flag (from here), but my attempt to make that work via wiki markup failed.  I tried

    {video:url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_n7vwoKVDo&hd=1,type=youtube,width=480,height=385,allowfullscreen=true}

I didn't try very hard.  Maybe there is some way.

Coordinator
Sep 20, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Did you try putting it in the URL query string?

Sep 20, 2010 at 7:25 PM

No luck.